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Re: Seat is warming

Postby madness31 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:30 pm

I want to revisit the criticism posted about some of the recruits.

It was mentioned that Jones and Odom are lacking in numerous areas, especially scoring. I see a very different story for both players. Odom has the potential to be a true point. Limited turnovers, creates shots for teammates and gets in the lane for his own opportunities as well. Solid to strong defense and possibly develops range over time. Odom was playing at a high level before the absence. He is struggling a bit currently and some will point to perceived uptick in competition but it is likely more related to reduced minutes and not getting into the flow of the game.

Jones is a do everything type of player and is often the type of player that takes a team from good to great. He needs the right talent around him but should be incredibly valuable all 4 years. If he develops a shot, his value will be even greater.

Tandy on the other hand has not adapted to D1 competition. He has a great shot but can't seem to determine when he can actually get the shot off cleanly. He has way to many jump shots blocked and generally not when the shot clock is ticking down. Getting blocked in the lane is generally not a big deal but getting blocked shooting jumpers is an indication he hasn't adapted to competition or is too selfish. He likely is forcing shots in the hopes of getting increased minutes but that is the worst way to go about earning minutes. He needs to up his defensive effort. He needs to look for open teammates. He should certainly look to take advantage of opportunities as he is a great shooter but forcing the action is a net negative.

I also have no issue with Miles being a project. His upside is huge and X should take a chance on players like that. There should be enough talent on the team that if he doesn't mature into the player he could be, X will still be competitive in the BE and the tourney. When he does realize his potential, he takes the team to the next level. I'm not saying Miles has the potential to win X a championship but there is enough there to make me believe he is worth the risk.

I can't evaluate Freemantle at this time. His defense is horrible and his offense may only be good against mediocre competition. I need more games to see if he is just going through a rough patch offensively or he doesn't have the skills to compete against power conference bigs.

The bigger point of the other poster, regarding Travis's recruiting abilities may still be accurate. There are no recruits at this time that are complete players. Jones and Odom are college ready which is an upgrade to most X recruits but they are not the elite talent some other programs get. I'd still say they are mostly an upgrade for X. The number of top tier players may be the issue for Travis thus far. He may deserve a pass given that he lost a year of recruiting because of the actions of the prior coach.

Travis is a solid to very good recruiter as of now. I have plenty of other criticisms for Travis but he is a young coach and has a lot of upside. My concern is that, to my knowledge, he hasn't ever coached on a staff that made defense a priority. Hard to make big improvements there when you haven't been exposed to what good defense is.
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Re: Seat is warming

Postby skyhops » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:39 pm

Jones had a really nice game today and we will need him this season. Not sure about Miles since it is year two and he still hasn’t got it and hard to keep that scholly. Tandy will be gone most likely although I hope not.
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Re: Seat is warming

Postby AirJordan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:11 pm

madness31 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:30 pm

Tandy on the other hand has not adapted to D1 competition. He has a great shot but can't seem to determine when he can actually get the shot off cleanly. He has way to many jump shots blocked and generally not when the shot clock is ticking down. Getting blocked in the lane is generally not a big deal but getting blocked shooting jumpers is an indication he hasn't adapted to competition or is too selfish. He likely is forcing shots in the hopes of getting increased minutes but that is the worst way to go about earning minutes. He needs to up his defensive effort. He needs to look for open teammates. He should certainly look to take advantage of opportunities as he is a great shooter but forcing the action is a net negative.
Understand your points about Tandy. He suffered a couple of blocks tonight including that outside open jump shot and, yes, that was bad. Still, I think Tandy's upside is greater than your view of him. He is aggressive off the bench and heats up quickly----sometimes he is too aggressive (and out of control). And, there is that matador defense.....

But, having a guy who can heat up quickly (a la Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson) can be a great advantage. Tandy's playing time has been sharply reduced, so far, this year and I just don't see how he can be expected to establish any rhythm without more extended minutes. I like Kunkel but Kunkel is a specialist. Kunkel can hit the three (just not tonight) if unchallenged and he makes his free throws. But, to me, his upside is far less than Tandy's. Kunkel doesn't, in my opinion, deserve more playing time if it comes at Tandy's expense.

We thought, last year, that Tandy had potential star power. At least, I thought he had potential star power. Admittedly, it hasn't worked out that way for him this year. But I believe much of that is a reflection on how Steele is using him. And, despite ekeing out a win tonight, I'm feeling less (not more) confident in our coach. I just don't feel all that good about Steele's ability to develop players. We're going to lose Tandy if he doesn't see more minutes and I think he's worth trying to keep.
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Re: Seat is warming

Postby muskieman » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:15 pm

skyhops wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:39 pm
Jones had a really nice game today and we will need him this season. Not sure about Miles since it is year two and he still hasn’t got it and hard to keep that scholly. Tandy will be gone most likely although I hope not.
he is a project and we have seen in the past players at the post position take more than two years before they became important cogs
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Re: Seat is warming

Postby madness31 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:45 pm

I generally agree AJ.

Tandy is not getting the minutes to display his skillset but I'd also say his decision making makes it difficult to give him more minutes. He is prone to force the action rather than wait for the game to come to him or find open teammates. Kunkel hasn't earned more minutes beyond the 1 game where he played hero. Kunkel is hot or frozen as he struggles to hit rim when he isn't making shots.

Tandy has plenty of upside and I hope he stays. I simply hope he gets proper coaching where he learns the game is more than scoring. Might be a good idea to outlaw shooting for him in practice for a week or 2. Make him earning playing time another way. Force him to look for teammates in scoring position, play good defense, review game tape and point out tendencies of his opponent, etc.

Additionally the microwave off the bench is a great luxury. If Tandy can adapt to the competition and figure out when he should fire up shots then he can be a huge asset to the team.

I partly disagree about having less confidence in Travis after this game. The team was truly lost for way too long so I can't completely disagree. He did eventually recognize that Odom and Jones were legit options for getting the team back in it. He also recognized that despite rebounding well, Freemantle was a liability. He may have accidentally stumbled upon Griffin as an option with the injury but it worked. If Griffin gets no time in the next game, I will worry about his cognitive ability but if Griffin's success causes Travis to give him minutes then this team just might be ready to take the next step.

There is certainly an issue with the lineup that worked today:

Scruggs
Johnson
Jones
Odom
Carter
Griffin

Johnson is the only real shooter with Scruggs being an all around scorer capable of shooting from deep. This could be a good thing if the offense adapts and looks for shots inside the arc more. Occasionally, Tandy or Kunkel go off or maybe Free drops a 3 or 2.

Freemantle should still be given the opportunity to produce but if he struggles, other options exist, including Stanley.

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