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Re: Cole Swider of Nova

Postby longliveskip » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:52 am

tacitus wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:51 pm
Some of you guys wear your age on your sleeves. :D

You all seem to have a lot of unfounded stereotypes about generation Z, perhaps due to your over-consumption of cable news. (See what I did there?)

The truth is that most of the empirical research suggests that generation Z is much less individualistic or lazy than baby boomers or even Gen X. "But participation trophies... waaahh!!!" Millennials and Gen Z have higher self-esteem and expect more out of life than their parents or grandparents did at their age, and they are very critical of their world. They may even be a bit more narcissistic. But why is it a bad thing to be upset that each hour that you work generates as much as three times the profit as your grandparents or parents did at your age (adjusted for inflation), while you have to wait 10 to 20 years longer to buy a home and achieve some semblance of the American Dream? Should they not demand more from their employers when entry level jobs require more education and more technical skills than middle management jobs did a generation prior? And focusing on basketball in particular... colleges and the NCAA have been making millions and billions of dollars each year off of these kids for decades, not just profiting on their performances on the court, but even their likenesses and persons. All the while they are told they are "amateurs" and "student athletes", that they are receiving the "greatest reward" for their efforts: a "college education". All they have to do is give four years of blind loyalty to their team. But these kids see through the platitudes, contradictions and hypocrisies. They see that the only coaches or ADs that have the same loyalty are the dinosaurs with multi-million dollar contracts, most of whom are a-holes. They grow up with the corruption in the AAU circuits, to which the NCAA turns a blind eye, and they see all the big schools making shady deals with shoe companies. And they experience first hand how fast their coach and their school will turn on them if they slip up. Yes, they are "digital natives" and care about "likes" and "followers" and "branding", but they also have to deal with racist rants and death threats from their own "fans". I have very mixed feelings about the transfer portal and the movement to pay athletes, and I think "one-and-done" is absurd. I do think these changes are "ruining" the game as we know it. I have watched maybe two full NBA games in my life because of my purist attitudes about basketball, and I will rue the day when I can no longer stomach D-1 basketball. But most former athletes think they should be paid, and we all know that if the portal existed 10, 20 or 30 years ago, the athletes of those eras would have taken full advantage as well.
this is the only part i disagree with (well there are others but i will stick with this part for now). for athletes, it isn't about being PAID. they are being paid with their full ride scholarship. it's about the ABILITY to be able to make money WHILE they're in school. a student who attends Xavier on a full ride academic scholarship can get a job, make money, have their own side business, etc., all while attending Xavier on a full scholarship. that's what the athletes want. equal economic rights. simply the ABILITY to be able make money while they attend school and play basketball. they should be allowed to do that. that's what the "NIL" is about. this isn't about the NCAA all of the sudden handing out bi-weekly checks to student-athletes.
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Re: Cole Swider of Nova

Postby tacitus » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:26 am

longliveskip wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:52 am
tacitus wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:51 pm
Some of you guys wear your age on your sleeves. :D

You all seem to have a lot of unfounded stereotypes about generation Z, perhaps due to your over-consumption of cable news. (See what I did there?)

The truth is that most of the empirical research suggests that generation Z is much less individualistic or lazy than baby boomers or even Gen X. "But participation trophies... waaahh!!!" Millennials and Gen Z have higher self-esteem and expect more out of life than their parents or grandparents did at their age, and they are very critical of their world. They may even be a bit more narcissistic. But why is it a bad thing to be upset that each hour that you work generates as much as three times the profit as your grandparents or parents did at your age (adjusted for inflation), while you have to wait 10 to 20 years longer to buy a home and achieve some semblance of the American Dream? Should they not demand more from their employers when entry level jobs require more education and more technical skills than middle management jobs did a generation prior? And focusing on basketball in particular... colleges and the NCAA have been making millions and billions of dollars each year off of these kids for decades, not just profiting on their performances on the court, but even their likenesses and persons. All the while they are told they are "amateurs" and "student athletes", that they are receiving the "greatest reward" for their efforts: a "college education". All they have to do is give four years of blind loyalty to their team. But these kids see through the platitudes, contradictions and hypocrisies. They see that the only coaches or ADs that have the same loyalty are the dinosaurs with multi-million dollar contracts, most of whom are a-holes. They grow up with the corruption in the AAU circuits, to which the NCAA turns a blind eye, and they see all the big schools making shady deals with shoe companies. And they experience first hand how fast their coach and their school will turn on them if they slip up. Yes, they are "digital natives" and care about "likes" and "followers" and "branding", but they also have to deal with racist rants and death threats from their own "fans". I have very mixed feelings about the transfer portal and the movement to pay athletes, and I think "one-and-done" is absurd. I do think these changes are "ruining" the game as we know it. I have watched maybe two full NBA games in my life because of my purist attitudes about basketball, and I will rue the day when I can no longer stomach D-1 basketball. But most former athletes think they should be paid, and we all know that if the portal existed 10, 20 or 30 years ago, the athletes of those eras would have taken full advantage as well.
this is the only part i disagree with (well there are others but i will stick with this part for now). for athletes, it isn't about being PAID. they are being paid with their full ride scholarship. it's about the ABILITY to be able to make money WHILE they're in school. a student who attends Xavier on a full ride academic scholarship can get a job, make money, have their own side business, etc., all while attending Xavier on a full scholarship. that's what the athletes want. equal economic rights. simply the ABILITY to be able make money while they attend school and play basketball. they should be allowed to do that. that's what the "NIL" is about. this isn't about the NCAA all of the sudden handing out bi-weekly checks to student-athletes.
Agree that "getting paid" doesn't necessarily mean that the universities give athletes a stipend or salary, even though that is one of the proposals that have been floated around for the past several years. It simply means that they get a piece of the pie they are already filling. Non-scholarship athletes can already work on the side, and scholarship athletes can work during the off-season. Working part time or full time, isn't realistic for most during the season. So for most I think it is about things like retaining the rights to their likenesses and personal "brands", where the universities, NCAA, or private companies have to compensate them. I agree that it is a sham that they cannot earn income while on scholarship during the season. But, realistically, the better basketball players will want to share in the profits made off their performances and names, and are not interested in side hustles. This is going to be difficult to negotiate, because so much of the profit already being made is from television contracts and (essentially) endorsement deals. Opening it up to direct contracts with players is a can of worms, but so is any sort of profit-sharing scheme. It is going to be very hard to get it right...
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