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Re: Niagara Game

Postby WestCoastMuskie » Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:53 pm

But, this isn't one game. This is the fourth year of the same issues. No, I couldn't do a better job as a coach. I play the position of fan. And this fans eyes are not satisfied with the direction we are going.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby skyhops » Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:03 pm

Agreed there are the same issues that have been going on for three years. After first year it was will now he has his players. Then it was Steele is a great recruiter (and he really is average, no bigs). Now it is we have everyone back. We are supposed to run, but we don’t and settle for 3’s when we are not a good shooting team. You don’t need to have played or coach to realize Steele is a mediocre coach with a below average record in BE. We were bound to miss on a coach, it happens.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby X-Expert » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:13 pm

Given the past three years, I really don't have much in terms of expectations. Last night didnt make me feel any better. Its only one game and maybe we will find out that Niagara are much better than anticipated and a 3 point opening game win at home turns out to be a good win-I doubt it but who knows. I thought Colby was a pretty good defender and he was absolutely abused by Hammond driving to the basket. I wish Steele would have at least tried a zone surrendering the fact that we can't stop the dribble drive (at least last night). As for shots, this team has never really been a great 4 point shooting team since Steele got here. They were average last year. I was a little encouraged when they started 5-9 and equally disappointed to see them go 3 for the next 18. As a coach, you can tell them to stop shooting 3s and drive (worked very well for Scruggs late in the game). Again, last two years X was predicted to finish 2nd in BE and this year 3rd. I don't believe they finished better than 7 and i know their record was 500. With pretty much the same team but a year older and coach with an additional year experience, it is easy to be optimistic but would rather be pleasantly surprised than hope for something that hasn't happened yet. I can see X having a big game vs Kent St-particularly if Stanley comes back.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby skyhops » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:30 pm

I wondered the same thing regarding Jones guarding Hammond. No adjustment was made or even putting Scruggs on him and make him go left. I know Hammond is solid, but not making an adjustment was ridiculous.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:58 pm

muskieman wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:04 am
skyhops wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:48 am
Skyhops Jr shoots much better in our driveway than he does in his HS games. Freemantle was really missed, but if Travis is such a great recruiter why are we stuck with two soft transfer bigs and another who is still learning the game? Neither Kunkel or Johnson did anything, which is concerning. Our basketball IQ at the end of games is terrible, which is a reflection of the used car salesmen I mean coach. My friends from IU said Hunter was a non factor and basically lost his spot in the rotation, but I think he can servieable as long as he never shoots a three again. I'm sure they will shoot well in practice today. Upset alert for Friday
glad to see Skyhops Jr is better than his dad, who only shoots better in his mind.

Pros of game.
X had decent D and 11 steals too bad they lost some of the intensity as the game got tight.
11 Orebs without a contribution from Jack
Miles showed some talent in the second half after getting quick fouls in the first half. He looked like he relaxed and felt more in the flow. (-7-2 is a nice stat line for his first game.
Scruggs showed he was a leader and would not let the team lose in the end and Colby proved to be a good and one with Paul.
I give a pass on Hunter although 7-9 is not a bad stat for the big guy. I think he was nervous in his first game. His shooting from the field has to improve but he was perfect from the line on a bad foul shooting night.
Jack like Hunter showed signs of being tentative but the good sign was 20 minutes on the floor...now he has to add more than minutes
X got a win and the coach could still chew on them for their shortfalls.
Cons of the game
Odem and Adam 17 and 21 minutes but the rest of their stat line is a nothing burger. Odem didn't even have an assist. I don't think this will be an ongoing concern but one of them must show up in future games.
Natestat line does not look like the stat lines from last year
Miserable shooting lines from the field to the foul line.
Question:
Stanley DNP was that because of some problem or just being cautious
Hope:
That X can get a big lead and build on it enough for us to see some of the other new guys like Ceasar and Elijah and that elusive Kyky just to make his jock sniffers happy.
A lot of cons. Any opinion on the coaching MM???
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:04 pm

longliveskip wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:21 pm
muskieman wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 am
longliveskip wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:54 am
i'm not sure how a close win at home to start the season means that the season is over, but apparently, on here, we just shouldn't play any more games because it won't matter. i don't even know why the guys will even go to practice or the coaches even try to work on anything else to try to win more games because we aren't winning another game this year. 1-29 is most likely the record at the end of the season. there's just no hope.

i'll come back to this board in March when we finish last in the Big East and are looking for a new coach.

Godspeed to everyone on this board who has to read the absolute trash/negativity/bashing that gets posted on here.
I hope you were being sarcastic because we could use some more sanity on the board. I agree some here think what they see as negative to also be unchangeable.
Granted X shot the ball too much from the three but at the beginning of the game, they succeeded in getting the game to be played at their speed and not Niagara's speed unfortunately after X led by 13 they let Niagara change the game speed. and taking shots, not within their game plan We have seen this before in other games where a team slows the game down and we know, or some of us do, that it is easier to slow a game down than speed it up. I think if Miles had played more in the first half the way he played in the second half X may not have come away with so many empty possessions.
agree on most of this. less than half of our shots were 3's and i can remember when it was closer to 60% of our shots in some games. i don't remember, of our 27 3's taken, any that were "bad". all looked "open" to me. in remembering the flow of the game, seemed like over 90% of our 3's taken were off a pass and not off a dribble. we just missed some REALLY GOOD looks by some of our better shooters. yes, we need to get the ball into the post earlier and more often. some of that is Miles/Nunge fault and some of it was just bad passes by our guards when trying to enter it in.

a couple other things - they BANKED in 2 3's, one from behind half court to end the game. couple that with if we shoot like 70% for the game from the FT line and all of the sudden it's a double digit win.

in the end, i really don't care how much we win by. just WIN and move forward trying to improve on the things that were lacking or weren't up to par yet.

i chalk some of this up to - 2 new starters, one who is in first year at X along with no Freemantle or KyKy. those things all factor in.

no idea on Stanley not getting in - health? just wondering.
i chalk some of this up to - 2 new starters, one who is in first year at X along with no Freemantle or KyKy. those things all factor in.

LLS,

It's more ominous than that. At 6:45, crossing the Brent Spence Bridge, I saw what look like a large black winged creature, kind of like a Mothman, sitting on top of the bridge, before flying towards Cintas. TS have so much to overcome.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:07 pm

Another stat about the game yesterday. Niagara played zone most of the game, though Paulus did change defenses on occasion which apparently flummoxed the team (Steele's words). 13 assists and 13 turnovers. Against Niagara. At home. Primarily against zone. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby longliveskip » Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:09 am

Anti-Homer wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:07 pm
Another stat about the game yesterday. Niagara played zone most of the game, though Paulus did change defenses on occasion which apparently flummoxed the team (Steele's words). 13 assists and 13 turnovers. Against Niagara. At home. Primarily against zone. Don't shoot the messenger.
i do remember them switching defenses but from what i remember watching, they did play more man than zone. not sure where i'd find that unless i just rewatched the game but i do think it was more man, especially in the 2nd half.
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Re: Niagara Game

Postby Anti-Homer » Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:14 pm

longliveskip wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:09 am
Anti-Homer wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:07 pm
Another stat about the game yesterday. Niagara played zone most of the game, though Paulus did change defenses on occasion which apparently flummoxed the team (Steele's words). 13 assists and 13 turnovers. Against Niagara. At home. Primarily against zone. Don't shoot the messenger.
i do remember them switching defenses but from what i remember watching, they did play more man than zone. not sure where i'd find that unless i just rewatched the game but i do think it was more man, especially in the 2nd half.
They played more man in the 2nd, but definitely played predominantly zone in the first. If what you said was true about playing more man, it makes it even more head scratching that they only had one true post pass-score in the game.

I have faith in Coach Steele, I say X only shoots 25 treys tomorrow.

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