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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby pdxmuskie » Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:03 pm

I was the first to call Des out for shooting too many 3s. I agree with those claiming he mostly took good shots against Nova. He simply didn't convert at a high level - off night.

Olivari has certainly earned the right to shoot but he forced way too many shots. He shot horribly because he was a bit off and then he forced/rushed his opportunities. He played with great effort as his rebounding numbers suggest. He did however make 1 of the dumbest defensive plays I've ever seen when he left Nova's hot shooter to double a guy not in scoring position. Result - 3 points for Nova.

Ousmane played well but he likely lost the game for X. His moving "screen" late in the game when X was getting momentum was beyond stupid. The contact created no advantage for X even if it went uncalled. The turnover at that point paused the momentum and also added to his foul trouble. X is better with him on the floor.

Lazar played well but only had 1 rebound. He deserved more minutes simply because Ciani was terrible. Miller made a huge mistake keeping Ciani in so long. He didn't even look comfortable getting the ball.

What was miller thinking using the final timeout immediately after the several minute official review. Why did he not create offensive and defensive plays during that free time out? The team wouldn't necessarily have used the timeout after that but it could have been useful if someone was trapped, team couldn't get the ball in, etc.

I'm not sure what game some of you were watching but Xavier's defense was terrible in the first half. If Nova connected on a reasonable percentage of their wide open 3s X would have been down 20 at the half. Generally X's effort in the first half was unacceptable. The team played harder in the 2nd half making the win possible. If they put in the same effort all game, they would have left with a victory.

Trey had a great game. McKnight had another nice game. McKnight is shooting well from 3, partly because of shot selection. He is generally not forcing shots. He lets the game come to him and that is what X needs from him. He probably needs to attack the rim a bit more but he should limit 3s to when he is open and feels good about the shot.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby pdxmuskie » Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 pm

It was a frustrating loss in a very winnable game.

The good news is that X lost by only 1 on the road to a solid to good Nova team while shooting terribly.

Turnovers were limited. X shot 100% from the line. These are improvements from earlier in the season.

The final score is encouraging of what the team can achieve if they play with effort for the entire game and convert a higher percentage of easy shots and/or take fewer forced/bad shots.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby muskieman » Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:09 pm

I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby longliveskip » Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:23 am

skyhops wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:33 pm
Skip, Claude is 11/35 shooting FG's in the big east and was terrible yesterday. Olivari has been our best player by a landslide this year and we would have a few more loses if not for him. Olivari is a marked man by every team while they dare Des to shoot 3's. The Euro's were bad as usual, but we don't expect much from them (at least I don't) Claude was a main reason for that loss.
this may be the worst take in the history of takes on here i've ever read. unreal the absolute bias you have towards Claude but don't apply the same to Olivari when he puts a up an absolute horrible shooting game as well. Des took TWO 3's. TWO! and as i said, without his ability to get into the paint, create a shot, get fouled and score, we aren't even IN that game at the end.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:17 pm

longliveskip wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:57 am
Anti-Homer wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:08 pm
Clade was dreadful. Miller made a gross miscalculation in the offseason by talking him up as Colby Jones the 2nd, so he wears that on his sleeve and tries to jam that square block into the round hole time after time every game. He is a horrible shooter outside of 8 feet and has caused X many key possessions. In the last five minutes, he had a non-traditional turnover when taking a non-in-rhythm three, though it at least hit the rim unlike many of his others and blew a bunny to take the lead. To top off the evening, he channeled his best "Marshall Hero Ball" by shooting the same shot he was about 0-8 today on, while a wide-open Olivari waited on the wing.

Miller has mismanaged him all year because he never faces any repercussions for his poor shot selection game after game. I suspect this scenario will play out again several more times this year.
CLAUDE was dreadful? why isn't anyone saying the same thing about Olivari? he was TERRIBLE. 3-13? 1-8 from 3? that's awful. Yes, Olivari shot poorly, a very rare thing that we occasionally saw with Bluiett as well. However, he is by far the most reliable scorer on the team. Fun fact: before the game, Olivari's 3 pt. shooting percentage was better than Cluade's 2 pt FG %.

If Olivari takes the last two shots that Claude took and missed them, what would everyone be saying about him here? I never said the last two shots were the reason I thought Cluade was horrid offensively? It was simply a microcosm of his game.

Claude has shown his ability to hit mid-range J's this season. he was "off" tonight. it happens. he missed two good looks at the end. I echoed all of this. However, he took several challenged mid-range jumpers on a night when the only shots he made averaged about 5 feet out.

what else did you expect him to do when he got the rebound with 5 seconds? you take it and GO and when you're wide open from 17 ft, you shoot it and contrary to what you might want to believe, Olivari was NOT open on the wing, nor are you going to pass it with 1 second left and hope he gets the shot off. Firstly, one thing they teach you as a 3rd grader in CYO bball, is that you can actually get the ball considerably faster up court by passing it, especially when you have the quickest, best dribbling, three-level shooting playmaker on the floor in Trey Green. On a good night, Claude taking a 17-footer has about a 25% chance of passing through the bottom of the net. I contend he had time to pass to the OPEN (look again at the last five seconds) Olivari. I understand he didn't want to take that chance, but again, the mistake was made when he thought 6 dribbles was better than passing it thirty feet ahead.

Claude had one bad 3 he took in the second half but his shots were good looks for the most part. Ousame has taken two wide-open threes this year. Did you like those too?? OK, I kid. I know he has to take some open threes, and had no problem with either, even though I knew they were going to clank off of the rim. There's also a reason most of his treys are wide open as well (See Goodin, Q).

and we aren't even IN the game at the end if he doesn't drive for his "and 1" and hit the FT. What??? Soooo, none of his other 16 shots of which he made 25% had an impact?

he's the only guy on the team that can get to the paint/rim, create his shot, and actually get a GOOD [DECENT] one doing it. Trey Green is actually better but is still honing that skill at this level. I agree he and Claude are the only ones who can create however.

Miller drew up the perfect play, Claude executed it perfectly, just didn't make it. what else can you ask for? Yup. Careful. Stop pulling a Claudine Gray, and cite me as your source, as I posted the same thing Wed eve as Mman and I commiserated over a vintage Cold Duck.

he's a SOPHOMORE! find the last team Xavier had where their "alpha" was a sophomore. it's been AWHILE. and like it or not, he's the best option at this point. we took a really good Nova team to the wire on the road. yes, it's frustrating we didn't find a way to pull it out, but this team is getting better. their D was excellent all night. we know we are going to have off nights on O, especially against teams like Nova who is just as good as us on D. Claude got taken out two separate times last night for bad D and shot selection as well. but you're not sitting him at the end of a close game. it's that simple. Agree with all of this, although we have had several Sophs as our.....Alpha.....s over the last dozen years or so: Crawford-Tu, Christon, Bluiett, Marshall. And don't kid yourself. Claude was taken out for 1-2 minute blows. Despite his poor offense, I still wanted him in the game. I just wish he showed better game awareness.

on the game itself - Ousmane continues to improve and play well. nobody plays harder than that dude. Nova making 10 3's to our 5 was the difference. they have dudes that can light it up. we just don't have enough perimeter offense so we have to rely on dribble drive and our hi-lo game inside.

BE, as i said before, will be a GRIND. Seton Hall looked HORRENDOUS against us then goes and beats Providence on the road. Besides Depaul, this league - any game is winnable and any game is losable.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:31 pm

skyhops wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:08 am
Agree that McKnight needs to have the ball in his hands more especially since he doesn't turn it over much. Des is not a dawg or a leader, which is well known among the team. Seems like a great kid and student athlete, but the only comparison to Colby that could be made is his height. This loss could spoil our only away win of the season. Gytis and Ciani are not bringing anything to our team currently. Lazar is not much better but at least has some offensive potential. Swain does need to be more aggressive on offense since his defensive is a net positive. Taking one shot in 20 mins is not going to work. Miller needs to stop calling meaningless timeouts early/mid second half.
X is already getting way more from Swain than expected with his defense, ability to handle the ball, and make free throws. He doesn't have the skillset to finish strong at the rim (except on a fast break), nor shoot even midrange at a decent clop, so I appreciate his awareness. I like Ciani, and again, he and most of his teammates are being asked to perform at a level above their abilities out of necessity. He will be a very solid center at X. I was a big fan of Gytis early, but he has sunk like a stone outside of Mman's beach house at the Hamptons since BE play. His time needs to be curtailed. Yes, Miller needs to go with the mindset that he only gets two timeouts a game, because he seemingly calls them like he has seven.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:35 pm

Kevin Reilly wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:18 pm
Everyone seems to be piling on Claude. Yes is a awful 3 point shooter but he is our best player. Nobody liked Colby Jones more than me. Lets compare Jones Sophomore year to Claude's second year. Jones averaged 11.6 points and almost 8 rebounds a game. Jones shot .68% from the foul line. Claude is shooting 71% from the foul line, and scoring over 14 points a game and about 5 rebounds a game. Jones shot 29% from the 3 point line and Claude is shooting 22%. Both couldn't shoot the 3's as Sophomore's. The big difference is Jones had a lot more talent around him. Jones was playing with Nunge, Freemantle, Johnson, Scruggs and Kunkel. He wasn't required to put the team on his back. Jones was a complementary player as a Sophomore. Jones worked on his three and shot it a lot better as a junior. He shot 38% as a junior. We just don't have a lot of offensive talent on the team right now. I didn't see Olivari fighting for the ball down the stretch. Claude's game at this stage is over powering defenders at the rim or muscling for a 8-10 foot shot. He's not quite ready to win games at the end yet but he will with time. We would be awful without him. Of course everyone was disappointed that Claude missed those last two shots but he had the guts to take them . He will continue to get better. He is a lot like Jones in that he's more comfortable being a team player and at this stage doesn't yet have the mind set to take over games at the end. Most of that is his due to lack of confidence in his shot. Keep playing hard Des It will come.
Wonderful post. I agree with all of it. I'm still a big fan of Claude. However, multiple threes and seventeen shots a game for him should be very few and far in between.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby skyhops » Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:05 pm

Why wouldn't we be fans of Claude I too do not want him shooting 17 shots a game, but then again teams are baiting him. Given up four point plays and getting yanked for not getting back on transition defense is not a good look either. Swain will be a top notch defender in BE and hopefully his confidence will improve on offense. I hope AH is right about Ciani, but I not sure a 6'10 Euro that can't shoot and plays below the rim will help in BE.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby muskieman » Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:30 pm

Anti-Homer wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:17 pm
what else did you expect him to do when he got the rebound with 5 seconds? you take it and GO and when you're wide open from 17 ft, you shoot it and contrary to what you might want to believe, Olivari was NOT open on the wing, nor are you going to pass it with 1 second left and hope he gets the shot off. Firstly, one thing they teach you as a 3rd grader in CYO bball, is that you can actually get the ball considerably faster up court by passing it, especially when you have the quickest, best dribbling, three-level shooting playmaker on the floor in Trey Green. On a good night, Claude taking a 17-footer has about a 25% chance of passing through the bottom of the net. I contend he had time to pass to the OPEN (look again at the last five seconds) Olivari. I understand he didn't want to take that chance, but again, the mistake was made when he thought 6 dribbles was better than passing it thirty feet ahead.
I agree that a pass beats a dribble, but I must take issue with Quincy being open. I watched that play and the plays in the last two minutes, and a Nova player #2 Armstrong, was with Quiney all the way down the court, so any pass would have been difficult at best. Because Des did not have a player next to him on the hash marks, a better choice might have been Trey Green in there to rebound the ball. Then again, if Dixon had not been there defending Des, making it a tougher shot, who knows?
It was just a tough night shooting(maybe thanks to the Nova D), and if they had done any number of things during the game (like not giving up a 5-point possession)
I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.
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Re: Nova Game thread

Postby X-lucidity » Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:18 pm

To quote one of my former little 6th graders I coached several years ago: “Y’all be trip’n”
Good Lord. As many, including I, have said- this year was going to be an uphill battle. You simply cannot lose 93% of your experience and scoring from last season and expect to have a smooth transition to prominence the next year. Especially in a killer, take no prisoners top 3 National league like the BE. Des had a poor shooting night, and yes that was a major contributor for the loss. There were countless others. Like the 4th grade blunder of no one yelling out “ I’ve got shooter” on the missed free throw offensive rebound that turned into the 2nd stage of a freaking FIVE POINT PLAY late 1st half. I could go on. Most of Des’ shots were good looks. And yes, he only took 2 threes. I will choose to dwell on the positives. The most significant being, this young group showed resilience- they battled back from a 10pt 2nd half deficit on the road vs a quality opponent. Lest we all forget, Des is a Soph and did not start last season. Not here to make endless excuses- just trying to state the obvious, that when Zach and Rome went down this past summer, the realistic goals for this season had to be re-examined. I saw improvement. I saw a few warts still exposed. In short, I saw mostly things that we all should be anticipating we will see. Let’s appreciate the slow and steady evolution that so far has kept trending in the right direction..

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