Guards= who will redshirt?

[X Factor]

Miller makes the decisions not the players. Someone will redshirt.

It's a joint decision between Miller, the player and his family.

Again, Sean isn't just going to redshirt a kid without giving him a chance to earn playing time in practice.

None of these kids would have committed to Xavier knowing that they would HAVE to redshirt their freshman year.

In the end, I don't see anyone redshirting.

[_LH]

No one is saying a certain player is predetermined to redshirt. Sean will have a month and a half of practice to make the decision. Kids know who will play and who will sit. They will see the writing on the wall and make the decision because it would be a waste of a year if they didn't. Someone will redshirt. Count on it.

[madness31]

Holloway likely chose XU because the point position is obviously up for grabs at a great program. He has the chance to earn the starting role as a freshman. I'm sure he has confidence in his abilities and chose the school accordingly. It is not a sacrifice for an athlete to redshirt but an opportunity. If it turns out after practicing that you are not going to get PT then why not sit out the year and further develop so that you have a greater chance of contributing in later years. It is smart for the school as well since they do not want to see three deep at any one position leave at the same time. In some respects it is good for recruiting as players see an opportunity to earn PT immediately but it also creates huge uncertainty (this year at point).

Assuming the coaches can pick out 1 or 2 guys that they truly don't see geting court time, they will approach them about redshirting. The players will likely go along with it so as to not lose a year. If the pack is too jumbled to see who deserves minutes then we may see everyone on the roster, with matchups, hot hands, chemistry, etc determining who gets minutes each game. The extreme depth could make it difficult to get everyone to buy into the team aspect, especially if even the starting roles are in question.

[wkrq59]

LH, Sean does not make the descision who redshirts if anyone redshirts.The player and his family or legal guardian makes the decision. Sean may suggest, or may ask if the player would be more comfortable getting stronger academically or physically and learning the game more but he can not order a player to redshirt.
I guarantee you if Sean were to forcefully redshirt any of the five freshmen, one or more would leave before the semester is over.
These players were brought to Xavier to contribute immediately. The one factor no one has talked about here is injury. An injury changes things completely.
Look at the returning players. Love, Robinson, McClean, CJ, BJ, Derrick and Taylor are all front court players. Adrion and Dante are the only back court players and Adrion could play the three. That leaves only Dante Jackson to play in the backcourt. Frease is frontcourt.
That leaves Walsh who could play 2 or 3, Redford who is a 2, or a 3 in a three-guard offense, and Lyons and Holloway as 1 or 2. Graves is going to struggle to earn minutes, but remember, he is for all intents and purposes a sophomore, and that's where most players improve dramatically.
If you insist someone MUST redshirt so you can say, "See, I told you so," that's fine. No one can argue with you because that's your opinion and you're sticking to it and stuck with it. Good for you.
But the facts are Xavier will need at least three or four guards --one a very good shooter to provide instant offense--and all to provide defense. Dante wil lbe much better at both the 1 and 2 this coming season, again because that's where most players improve--between their freshman and sophomore years.
In this day and age, recruiting is a prime factor in determining a team's success. If Sean gets the reputation as a coach who routinely redshirts players, his recruiting success will be very limited.
I doubt very seriously if anyone will redshirt this season.

[X Factor]

Thank you Q. I've been saying pretty close to the same thing throughout this thread. I completely agree with you.

[muskieman]

Let's see every year we have this discussion about which player or players will red shirt and has anyone ever been right to say this or that player will red shirt? Name the last player for Sean to red shirt because X had too many players at a position?

[muskienick]

bleedXblue,

Adrion did not have as great an impact on the team last year as Dante did. But to say that Graves had "ample opprtunities to prove himself and didn't" is not taking into consideration that he was sick for almost his entire freshman season (05-06).

I still have high hopes for Graves to be a significant contributor to the Muskie program. Who knows, he may surprise us as much as Stanley did by becoming another defensive stopper for the team. If he concentrates on improving his defense and earns more minutes in the process, you can bet that his offensive game will blossom as well.

[_LH]

Q,

Someone will redshirt. Count on it. With 7 new players, there are simply too many players to not have at least one redshirt.

Now, you are correct that it is ultimately the kid's decision but Sean's influence over a new player that is 18 will be enough to sway them. This individual will also realize the benefits of redshirting. No one is saying Sean will force someone to redshirt so let's stop the craziness right now. Also, no one is saying Miller redhirts guys too often. It is rare for XU to have 7 new player in one year and no one in recruiting circles would question a redshirt by one of the incoming freshman.

Practice will determine who is the low man on the totem pole. Do you think Bronson came to XU to ride the pine? All kids come in thinking they will play but every year two-five guys sit most of the game.

As far as injuries go, a redhirt does not have to be declared in November. If the need comes for others to play due to injury, Sean will not be handcuffed.

My guess is the kid from Michigan redhirts because he will be at a slight disadvantage for PT at his position and I think he will lag somewhat defensively.

[muskieman]

Someone will redshirt. Count on it. With 7 new players, there are simply too many players to not have at least one redshirt.


I don't think that Sean will redshirt anyone JUST because there are 7 new players. It is not like he doesn't know the abilities at the D-1 level of players like McLean and Taylor. If a red shirt does happen it will be because they player needs to work on his game and or body but I see no person at this time.

[_LH]

You don't think it would be wise to redshirt a player who will not see much PT so that his "year" is not wasted? With 7 new players it will be hard for all the new guys to see enough time to not warrant at least one redshirt. I would much rather have a 22 year old playing 20 plus minutes as a fith year senior than an 18 year old playing 1-2 minutes a game this next season.

XU had Cole redshirt out of depth issues when he was a freshman.