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Who would make your top 20

Postby muskieman » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:14 pm

Xavier Basketball players. There have been so many good players a top ten might be too hard so from the 20th player to your top player.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby SC in DC » Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:01 pm

OK, I'll bite. And everyone can trash me afterwards. I go back a loooong way, but obviously, before all games were on TV,so I haven't seen everyone on the list so I'm going mostly on stats and my personal opinion. (what else!). Had to do 25 tho, and moving someone up a couple or down a few would probably be my list if I did it again next week.

Here goes:

25.Dave Piontek--differenr era, different game, but still 3rd on list for rebounds per game and 7 yr NBA career. Not sure but probably the first ever NBA er for X

24. Jack Thobe--see above, 8th in points per game, 9th in total rebounding. Also, two of the stars of the '58 NIT championship show up in all time stats (Stein FT % and Viviano in rebounds) so obviously a couple of good players in the day.

23. J Cage--not a stat leader, but what an all around glue guy and defensive stalwart.

22 JP Macura--again not a stat leader, but what a crowd pleaser! Had to include him somewhere in my list!

21. J. Gladden--9th in all time scoring, almost 3 assist per game. Smooth game.

20. L Rackley--Never forget talking to him at the field house with my 5'1" date! Plus, 1st in mins played per game, 2 in rebounds per game

19. A Hicks--probably should be higher cause he's 5th in mins pg, 6th in assists pg, and 9th in points pg and 8th in total points. Damn, he should be higher!

18. D. Strong--probably helped by teaming up with Hill, but tough player, 10th in rebounds, money at the line, and ask Georgetown! Ok, I'm willing to trade him with Hicks.

17.B Quick--much like Semaj in more recent days, he had to take the team on his back to win games. 21 pig--3rd on list,6th most FT attempts, 6th in total rebounds.

16. D. Brown--Didn't play his senior season, so didn't't get much in the record books, but if you saw him play, you know he was one of the best.

!5. J Walker--Guy had some moves! Plus 7th in steals and 2nd in assists. Jumping!

14. B Pelkington-- rebounding machine! 2nd all time, 1st in rebounds pg, and led nation one year. Not great leaper, just couldn't be moved.

13. J. Doellman--one of my all-time favorites. One of the highest bball IO's I've seen at X. Doesn't hit the leader board too much; games, off rebounds, blocks, but all around clutch player. OK, you can move him with Hicks, but I still love the guy!

12.S. Christon--missed out of 2 yrs, so all-time stats aren't there, but what a player. Scored over 1000 its by end of sophomore year and 1st team all Big East selection. Carried team to NCAA, but lost to NC State.

11. R. Sato--I think he could jump off of NO feet- 8th in all time rebounds and a wing/guard. Definitely a 3-pt shooter and scorer 1st and 2nd all time


10. It's been hard but now it gets harder!

!0. B Grant--You idiot, how could you rank him so low?? Not sure--it's just there are a lot of good players left. Also, it's hard cuz he's one of my all time favs

9. J Posey--Don't you know he and Grant also had great pro careers? What's a matter with this list??

8. L Brown-- The SHOT!! Plus 6th in points and 3rd in 3 pointers, and 1st in steals.

7. T Hill--OMG I'm not reading any further, clearly you're delusional. 3 of the last 4 are some of X's best NBA players ever!

6. J Crawford--Not there long enough to re-write the record books but probably the most athletic player I've ever seen at X. Gifted at all aspects of the game, but a sometimes head case!

5. Tu--nuff said--gamer, clutch, any cliche' you want to use! WINNER!

4. T. Bluiett-- Man could shoot!! If he had 75% of Crawfords athleticism he would be an NBA all-star

3. S. Thomas--Man could score!! Before the 3 pt shot--averaged 24 ppg career and one season playing with and injured knee. When healthy he averaged 30 ppg in 63-64 season. Scored 50 in one game for XU record. X should have retired his number!!!

2. Anybody still wondering on the last. two? Haha!
B. Larkin and 1. D West-- any argument with those two and you have been at Dana's too long!

I know I left out some great players, notably guys like A.Williams, S Kimbrough, L Chalmers, ,J. Love, S. Burrell, M Stainbrook, D. Davis, D. Lavender N. Marshall, P Scruggs and so many others. I'd just like to thank them and all X players who have given me (us) so much enjoyment for SO many years. Let's go X!
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby muskieman » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:31 pm

Great post...while I don't agree with everyone it was fun to read and your comments ring true and funny on some of them. I Probably would put JP higher. And the Larkin and D West is just too hard to decide. I would make Lark #1 not just because of points but because he lead the way that gave us all those great players. Cage and Chalmers get some more consideration from me because of how they became leaders and took a team going nowhere to some lofty heights. And sacré bleu, no Josh Duncan! X has two great eras. Maybe it should be the top 20 players before Larkin and the top 20 since. Those before the debacle of the late 60s and 70s. It would take some of our older posters to talk about those years although I go back to 1955 as my first X game.

Thanks for being courageous enough to make a stab at it.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby skyhops » Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:05 am

Good list DC. I heard Steele put together a list with Carter at #6 and Q at #7.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby edgecliff hall » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:21 am

Good one, Skyhops!
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby norwood44 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:49 pm

Couple other names - Darnell Williams, before his injury, and Stan Kimbrough
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby SC in DC » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:25 pm

I mentioned Kimbrough in my sort of honorable mentions, should have included J Duncan there also, he was a name that escaped me. Also for at least that one unforgettable moment, should have B J Raymond there also! And when I was trying to be funny, I thot of listing Carter, but that's too mean--the kid worked his butt off, just in a little over his head. Like I said, thanks to anyone who ever put on a uniform for X.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:46 pm

A couple of points to make. First of all, kudos to my mentor for a fun and provocative post. SC gave a great list, and I won't attempt to analyze it all, but will just say I think Justin Cage is the most underrated players in X history. He was just a winner. Did everything well, and was also a great defender. He also had best overall game in the NCAA tourney in 2007 (I think) when he went mono e mono against the number pick in the NBA draft (Odom) that year and outplayed him. It was also the best coached game ever by a Xavier coach in the tourney until the last 5 seconds.

On a more sobering note, I just wish once, we could have a fun post without a certain poster taking unwarranted shot at my coach. As a MOD, if this attitude continues, trust me, I'm gunna ban the heck out of him.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:52 pm

SC in DC wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:25 pm
I mentioned Kimbrough in my sort of honorable mentions, should have included J Duncan there also, he was a name that escaped me. Also for at least that one unforgettable moment, should have B J Raymond there also! And when I was trying to be funny, I thot of listing Carter, but that's too mean--the kid worked his butt off, just in a little over his head. Like I said, thanks to anyone who ever put on a uniform for X.
I agree. Carter did his damned best. He just couldn't make the transition to a higher caliber level of competition.
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Re: Who would make your top 20

Postby Anti-Homer » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:56 pm

SC in DC wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:25 pm
I mentioned Kimbrough in my sort of honorable mentions, should have included J Duncan there also, he was a name that escaped me. Also for at least that one unforgettable moment, should have B J Raymond there also! And when I was trying to be funny, I thot of listing Carter, but that's too mean--the kid worked his butt off, just in a little over his head. Like I said, thanks to anyone who ever put on a uniform for X.
Agreed re: Kimbrough. If only X has Lloyd Price for four years. He would have ended up in the top 15.

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